Curse

Iuris · Dec 14, 2006, 07:21 AM // 07:21

I would like to point out that it would seem that heroes have access to skills unlocked by all the players of an account. So, while it may be costly getting several skills, you have them available forever after.

I'm quite sure my Mesmer has never become a secondary warrior, yet his Koss is happily Tripple chopping stuff all over the place

Tact · Dec 14, 2006, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by King Kong

off topic.. but Harvest Temple is better than senji's, as Zenaida there has all factions skills! apart from the elites of course

So has the skill trainer who resides in Kaineng, apart from two Rt skills you need to get in Senji's.

freekedoutfish · Dec 14, 2006, 09:25 AM // 09:25

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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists

freekedoutfish:

Heroes don't have their own skill points. Each of your PvE characters earns "hero skill points" as he gains ranks in LB and SS title lines. These can be used to unlock skills from hero skill trainers no matter what profession they are or what heroes you currently have. That means, when you spend your hero skill points, you can use them to unlock Rit skills, which Razah can use (or any other heroes with a Rit secondary if you have Factions) when you get him. I understand you have used all your hero skill points on your character that has or wants to get Razah. OK. Do you have any other characters ? They can rise through the SS and LB ranks as well, unlocking Rit skills at hero skill trainers just the same. It doesn't matter which PvE character unlocks them from the hero skill trainer, all heroes on your account can use them. So, perhaps, that is your solution - a different PvE character with hero skill points available.

BTW, Shadowspawn X completely missed the point and was explaining regular skill points, not hero skill points.

Yeah I knew all of that thanks. I know how you get hero-points and how to use them.

I personally havent used up all my Hero-skill-points. Ive hardly used any at all to be honest, because I dont need/want to unlock alot of skills for my most of my Heroes.

I have a PvE Necro, Nuker and Ranger, so Im happy to use the skills theyve unlocked already. I dont really know much about Warrirors to go unlocking hero skills for koss, or other professions ive never used.

So personnally I probably do have more then enough to unlock several Rit skills and make a nice working Razah.

But I was considering those who didnt and may have ran out. I'm trying to look at it from that perspective, and how I would and wouldnt want it fixed.

So lets consider I had ran out;

The idea of making a PvE Rit in factions and playing with it to unlock all the skills isnt an option to me, because I wouldnt enjoy playing as a Rit. I dont like them to be honest. But I do like the idea of having one as a support class.

Not to mention I may not own factions (which I do, but consider others).

The idea of making a new PvE character in nightfall and playing through the entire thing to unlock more skill-points is an idea, but Ive other things to do in GWs. I dont have time to spend a month and half playing through it again at the moment. Im dedicated to my main character ele most of the time.

I dont think the idea of unlocking Rit secondary and using up my personal gold and skill-points is an option I want to do. I had myself in a situation after I completed Tyria where I ran out of Skill-points and I had to wait for a whole campaign to be released to get enough back to get more skills.

Thankfully I now have all ele normal and elite skills accross the game. But I want to save the remaining 80 skill-points I have so I dont get into the same situation. I especially dont want to use them up on a secondary Rit which ill never use personally, and im trying to save for other things so I cant use gold up on skills.

As for the PvP idea and creating a Rit and unlocking them skills for PvE; I dont like PvP and I dont like playing Rit. So thats not an option to me either.

The conclusions is that if I was in a situation where I had no hero-skill-points, and I had unlocked Razah. I would have a ritualist sitting there who I could use. He would only have 5 spells/skills which I might find are useless, but I couldn't change.

There is no current way to increase sunspear or lightbringer ranks at all or effectively.

In my view that leaves very little use for him as he is.

My suggestion is very simply that they either;

Give him with a full set of skills.
Give us more hero-skill-points as a reward for completing the quest which we attain him with.
Or give us ways to gain more hero-skill-points with our existing character which we unlock him on.

I dont think its unreasonable to give us full Rit skills when you consider what we go through to get him.

And you cant make the alligation that im being lazey (which im sure you wouldnt, but some would), because im currently on KOABD and ive worked my a** off for that title.

I like working for things, but only if you get a satisfying reward at the end. And at the moment, hes somewhat of an anti-climax.

bhavv · Dec 14, 2006, 11:26 AM // 11:26

freakedoutfish you just stated you havnt used all of your hero points yet and yet your complaining about unlocking skills for Razah from your point of view stating that you dont have enough points. Your making a rant over absolutely nothing.

1) You seem to have enough hero points to unlock the rit skills go ahead and do it

2) Most people that play PVE tend to use many secondary classes, and it isnt hard to save around 10k to spend on skills. Once these skills are on your PVE char you can use them on your heroes.

3) You might not like doing PVP, but if YOU have enough hero points to unlock the skills why are you so concerned? Many other people dont mind simply playing RA to unlock a few skills, it isnt difficult to do and a lot of people actually find it fun.

The fact that you get Razah at the end of the game affects very little. I havnt barely started nightfall yet and have a full unlock. Ok so I paid for the PVP unlock packs, theres another option you can use to get the skills.

I, allong with most people here cant see a problem with getting skills for Razah, all I dont understand is why a rit hero is only availabe for PVE so far at the end of the game, but Im doing just fine with the heroes that I have in PVE so again, not bothered.

Its a game, theres plenty of ways to play it and theres plenty of ways to get skill unlocks to use on your heroes.

Also, by the look of your avatar you appear to have 15k armour and your complaining about unlocking skills that you can buy for 1k each. I really dont see the reason.

Also, why do you want more hero skill points if you havnt used the ones you already have? Whats the point? Its pretty hard to run out of skill points for any one imo and you get plenty enough points on PVE chars to buy the skills.

Shadowspawn X · Dec 14, 2006, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists

BTW, Shadowspawn X completely missed the point and was explaining regular skill points, not hero skill points.

Thats true. I did not understand that he was asking about hero points instead of skill points. I think you gave him the information he really needed.

freekedoutfish · Dec 14, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by bhavv

freakedoutfish you just stated you havnt used all of your hero points yet and yet your complaining about unlocking skills for Razah from your point of view stating that you dont have enough points. Your making a rant over absolutely nothing.

1) You seem to have enough hero points to unlock the rit skills go ahead and do it

2) Most people that play PVE tend to use many secondary classes, and it isnt hard to save around 10k to spend on skills. Once these skills are on your PVE char you can use them on your heroes.

3) You might not like doing PVP, but if YOU have enough hero points to unlock the skills why are you so concerned? Many other people dont mind simply playing RA to unlock a few skills, it isnt difficult to do and a lot of people actually find it fun.

The fact that you get Razah at the end of the game affects very little. I havnt barely started nightfall yet and have a full unlock. Ok so I paid for the PVP unlock packs, theres another option you can use to get the skills.

I, allong with most people here cant see a problem with getting skills for Razah, all I dont understand is why a rit hero is only availabe for PVE so far at the end of the game, but Im doing just fine with the heroes that I have in PVE so again, not bothered.

Its a game, theres plenty of ways to play it and theres plenty of ways to get skill unlocks to use on your heroes.

Also, by the look of your avatar you appear to have 15k armour and your complaining about unlocking skills that you can buy for 1k each. I really dont see the reason.

Also, why do you want more hero skill points if you havnt used the ones you already have? Whats the point? Its pretty hard to run out of skill points for any one imo and you get plenty enough points on PVE chars to buy the skills.

I did say that I was looking from the perspective of those who might not have any or many left.

I didnt start this thread as a rant the last I checked. I just made a very simple observation about something.

I also agree that Razah or an alternative Rit should be available in Factions and then atleast people have a reason or a need or an abilility to unlock the Hero skills as they go.

Your right though. I dont really have alot to personally complain about and im more then capable and experienced enough to make gold easily. As youve said, I have 15k armor. I have about 4 or 5 sets actually.

But im just looking at it from the perspective of those who might not have all that and may have not the ability to make up for 0 hero skill points.

Something which I can relate too. When I first started playing over a year ago. I played through Tyria and stupidly spent all my personal skil-points, because I was unexperienced. So I can imagine someone else doing the same with their Hero skill points.

Ive obviously learnt my lesson, but I had to wait till factions to regain more. Now I use them sparingly.

But others can make that mistake and then get to Razah and be stuffed because they didnt think to save them or use them carefully.

And not everyone finds it easy to make gold to buy skills. So to expect everyone to buy Rit secondary and use their own skills on him, is asking alot. Especially if you have no need or want for Rit secondary.

I just find the whole cencept of Razah messed up and like no-thought was put into it. Its like we all asked for Rit and they just gave us one and stuck it at the end to make him feel special. When in actual fact, hes no different to the rest.

This whole thing could be fixed if they gave us a Rit Hero in factions as you said. Then we could unlock the skills as we go. Not be expected to blow loads on them at the end when most people are saving for greens or armors or dyes or elites.

Ninna · Dec 14, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

But im just looking at it from the perspective of those who might not have all that and may have not the ability to make up for 0 hero skill points.

everyone only has 20 hero points for 10 different Hero classes

theres not enough Hero points - even if Razah wasnt in game ...

thats 2 skills per class

to learn skills for your heroes
-- you need a mix of Hero points, gold spent at Skill Trainer, PVP faction

Hero points alone wont do it

Skyy High · Dec 14, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

That's assuming that you have unlocked absolutely zero skills, ever. Which also means that, if you're playing on your PvE char, you are running around with zero skills. Somehow I doubt that anyone would do that.

freekedoutfish · Dec 14, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

That's assuming that you have unlocked absolutely zero skills, ever. Which also means that, if you're playing on your PvE char, you are running around with zero skills. Somehow I doubt that anyone would do that.

Ya know what. I just checked and I DONT have any hero skills left on most of my heroes.

So I am in that situation.

HawkofStorms · Dec 14, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

You also forget that you get hero skill points for each of your characters. If you are like me with 7 PvE characters that means you get at LEAST, 60 skills free.

mqstout · Dec 14, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Of course, those with Nightfall and not Factions get a useless quest reward. Move the ritualist to Factions and make Razah variable.

crimsonfilms · Dec 14, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

This Razah variable thing is not grounded in reality or pragmatism.

How do you manage skills, runes, inscriptions, weapons, insignias, armors and etc?
People already complain about skill unlocks....

Stop the variable thing. You guys are not making any sense.

freekedoutfish · Dec 14, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

This Razah variable thing is not grounded in reality or pragmatism.

How do you manage skills, runes, inscriptions, weapons, insignias, armors and etc?
People already complain about skill unlocks....

Stop the variable thing. You guys are not making any sense.

I have to agree with that. We dont need a variable hero as we have more then enough to cover each profession.

I also say give us a female rit in factions to end al the debate. Then people can choose to have Razah and still have an attainable, usefull rit too.

lennymon · Dec 14, 2006, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Hero skills are available to all characters on the account, hero skill points are accumulated on EACH character on the account, if you even have 3 or 4 characters you can unlock ALL skills at the hero skill trainer. The rest are up to you to get. Want some cheese with all this whining?

FoxBat · Dec 15, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

I think you should complain instead about the gemstones and quest required to unlock him, that's worth a lot more money than some extra skills on your pve char.

mqstout · Dec 15, 2006, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

Stop the variable thing. You guys are not making any sense.

We didn't start it. Arena.net did.

crimsonfilms · Dec 15, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by mqstout

We didn't start it. Arena.net did.

Even if they did... do you know how old you sound with that respond?

freekedoutfish · Dec 15, 2006, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

I think you should complain instead about the gemstones and quest required to unlock him, that's worth a lot more money than some extra skills on your pve char.

That kind just adds to my point then.

Ninna · Dec 15, 2006, 09:07 AM // 09:07

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Originally Posted by lennymon

Hero skills are available to all characters on the account, hero skill points are accumulated on EACH character on the account, if you even have 3 or 4 characters you can unlock ALL skills at the hero skill trainer. The rest are up to you to get. Want some cheese with all this whining?

I think Hero points are fine but what you state isnt true

theres 7 hero skill trainers per class, most trainers having 4 skills at each trainer

28 Hero skills for *one class*

ALL SKILLS would need like 250 hero points